Unknown Mammillarias

Could someone say something about these plants:

Hello Leszek,
The first one is vagaspina ( magnimamma ). the second one I don't know, I will take a search on this.

I think it's just another magnimamma form, Hugo. Its difficult to be sure, but the longer downwards spine, no radials, makes me think so. Now what former name it might have, that's a question!! There are so many....

Hello Leszek and Chris,
You were right Chris. I showed the picture to Rogozinski and he told me that it is a form of magnimamma.

Thanks Hugo, thanks Chris !!!