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| Subject: M.crucigera MZ 903 Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:41 pm | |
| In flower today, M. cruicgera cruigera MZ ( Milan Zachar ) 903, Coxcanthan, Puebla. A grafted plant from Jara Donhanlik last year ( 2009 ). |
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| Subject: Re: M.crucigera MZ 903 Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:41 pm | |
| Nice plant! I have a plant named M tlalocii RH 132 in my collection which was in flower last weekend. In my opinion it more looks like M crucigera ssp. crucigera than ssp. tlalocii. Wiebe |
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| Subject: Re: M.crucigera MZ 903 Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:03 pm | |
| That's nice but who is RH. I would say that it is tlalocii. Below is a picture of tlalocii FO-229 which has started to produce short red - brown central spines. tlalocii is said to be spine-less. |
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| Subject: Re: M.crucigera MZ 903 Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:12 pm | |
| This is another tlalocii, FO-223 which has divided into four. tlalocii is regarded by Hunt has a solitary stemmed variant of crucigera. I view them has a transition from crucigera to huitzilopochlti. |
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| Subject: Re: M.crucigera MZ 903 Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:52 pm | |
| RH is according to me Ralf Hillmann. Tam, you say 'tlalocii' is without cental spines but Pilbeam writes: 'Central spines 2 to 4, glassy white with brown tips'. From Pilbeam I cannot see the difference between these 2 subspecies except the solitary stems from 'thalocii' and the branching (dichotomously) habitat of 'crucigera'.
Wiebe |
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| Subject: Re: M.crucigera MZ 903 Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:21 pm | |
| and of course there is then the crucigera ssp. grandinosa, which is a strongly offsetting form. This is Rog397 from MEX-135, km 75.1, Rio Salado, w. of San Juan de los Cues, 700 m. I think that there a lot of sense in what Wiebe says, that these more southerly forms represent the transition to huitzilopochtlii. _________________ Chris43, moderator
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