Mammillaria crucigera ssp tlalocii FO-229

At the BCSS Glasgow show today, 7-6-08

Not a tlalocii in my opinion, but a huitzilopochtli. FO 022 is mentioned as Mammillaria spec., no further names.

You could well be right. There are some M.crucigera that will produce central spines how and again.

Wrong label. I have a similar small plant, but without any central spines like this one. It is FO-229, which has been called tlalocii. FO-22 is magnifica v minor.

I did a check on the Raph Martain Field data base site. FO-229 was first named has a M.elegans var from the Sierra Maxteca border, Oaxaca - Pueblo. With the futher comment ; minute white spines, red flowers, M.tlalocii. I also looked on the Cactus-art site. They show both a young plant and a adult plant. The young plant has no spines but the adult is bear at the base, then white spines and then black spines at the top. I would suggest that in this case this collection would seem to produce central spines has it gets older. It could be that ssp tlalocii could be the transition from M.crucigera to M.huitzilopchtli.

Hello Mark,
I also looked at the cactus-art site. On the pictures he showed is the first one a tlalocii, but when you click on the picture another plant shows up and this is a huitzilopochtli. The comment at the bottom is no helpfull either because it's about M. lenta. The second picture is no tlalocii either, but crucigera grandinosa. Cactus-art give another name: caespitosa. I wouldn't count on nurseries like cactus-art being a reference of correct names. The picture you showed from the BCSS Glasgow show is, and I repeat, M. huitzilopochtli.