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 Mammillaria melanocentra and M. heyderii subsp. gummifera?

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PostSubject: Mammillaria melanocentra and M. heyderii subsp. gummifera?   Mammillaria melanocentra and M. heyderii subsp. gummifera? Icon_minitimeTue Jul 30, 2019 1:38 pm

Hello everyone, does anyone can confirm the ID of these plants?

My guesses are M. melanocentra and M. heyderii subsp gummifera.

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PostSubject: Re: Mammillaria melanocentra and M. heyderii subsp. gummifera?   Mammillaria melanocentra and M. heyderii subsp. gummifera? Icon_minitimeMon Aug 05, 2019 5:56 pm

Maybe ….
Mammillaria formosa and Mammillaria sonorensis….?
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Thank you, Maurillio. I had already came to M. sonorensis too, but M. formosa is something I had not considered yet. Thank you!
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PostSubject: Re: Mammillaria melanocentra and M. heyderii subsp. gummifera?   Mammillaria melanocentra and M. heyderii subsp. gummifera? Icon_minitimeTue Aug 06, 2019 3:25 pm

Take a look at M. formosa ssp. pseudocrucigera as this is probably closer than the typical species. Maurillo's suggestion of M. sonorensis seems a good fit.

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Thank you Chris.
Do you guys think M. heyderii ssp gummifera is not a possibility?
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This is a Mammillaria heyderi ssp. gummifera in flower…
Mhhhhhhhhh…………..

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Oh ok, It is quite different!
Thank you very much!
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