Hi Jpsje,
No1 is bocasana and about 10yrs + . It is one plant that has offsets(branches)so I would still call it as one plant, but it has clustered. Although it has remained relatively hairy, a feature of this type, I suspect that it has been grown in the past with less than sufficient sunshine, as the offsets are somewhat elongated.
No2 probably zeilmaniana, should flower very well, with red petals.