New mammi Id

This is my first topic!!!!
I buyed this beautiful plant in a supermarket, but i don't know tha species. What is it?

thanks!!!!!
I'm sorry for my very bad english

for the young central spines only at the apex, i think this could be m.crucigera ssp tlalocii FO 229

Yes, I'd agree that looks a good match. I had been wondering about crucgiera ssp grandinosa, but I think you have a better match.

thank you!!!

If is this mammi a M. psudoperbella?
Bho?

I believe that M. pseudoperbella keeps its central spines if it indeed has any. The description says it can have 0 to 2 central spines, often one and this directed upwards. Almost all of the plants with this name that I have seen have a very obvious central spine. I haven't seen a plant which has no central spine, so I find it a bit difficult to make a definite statement, but I dont think it is pseudoperbella.
M. pseudoperbella is a plant without known location, and as such has to be questioned on its status.

Thank you for Info!!!!!
Nicola

Maurillio added a collectionnumber to the suggested name (FO 229). In my opinion you cannot add a collectionnumber to a plant of unknown origin. Any other thoughts on this?

Wiebe

what wiebe says is correct.
is "quantomeno avventuroso" add a field number to a plant of unknown origin, but....


i have two m.crucigera ssp tlalocii FO 229.
only in a plant of the two are grown central spines, and this after three years.
this led me to think about a strange behavior only in the specific plant of felipe otero.


mammillaria crucigera ssp tlaloci without fn and without central spines




mammillaria crucigera ssp tlalocii LAU 1109





mammillaria crucigera ssp tlalocii FO 223




and mammillaria crucigera ssp tlalocii FO 229 without central spines




and her sister....
mammillaria crucigera ssp tlalocii FO 229 with central spines

The area from which these plants all come is quite a small one. The north - south range is probably less than 30kms, and the area is cut through with ravines. From this area we have M. crucigera, and its subspecies tlalocii and grandionosa; M. dixanthocentron, and its cousin M. flavicentra; and M. huitzilopochtlii.

Although I am not a botanist, I find it hard to believe that in such a small area, we have so many different species from the same Series (Supertexta). My suspicion is that these collections (which are from different places in this area, but not too far away from each other) represent intermediate forms, perhaps between M. crucigera as we know it from around San Jose Tilapa and M. huitzilopochtli. We know that this last species is very variable anyway, and that it can produce dark spines at times, not unlike those sometimes seen on M. crucigera ssp tlalocii.

I don't think that M. dixanthocentron is involved here, or at least not much. It is variable, certainly in central spine length and colour, but then many other Mammillarias show variation in central spines in a similar manner.

I think that there is a case for a lot more field work, even though Lacoste, Otero, Hunt and more recently people like Linzen have undertaken explorations there. I don't know if DNA analysis would be able to detect relationships at this detail level. The Wallace and Butterworth studies and Crozier's study don;t include all these species. They suggest that they are closely related - but then we knew this anyway!

Anyone want to spend a couple of weeks in Puebla / Oaxaca next year??

I don´t know if it´s the way the ID photo is presented, but looking at that photo and then the others it seems to me that both the body colour and the colour of the areoles are wrong for crucigera?

I didn't think this was crucigera / tlalocii either.
I would say that this is a spinless form of haageana or possibly albilanata.

i have found a lot of plants similar to your in a greenhouse near ventimiglia - imperia.
they told me that this is an hybrid....

Thank to maurillio for the solution of mystery
Here new pics of my mammy done today


Bye
Nicola

thats my Mammillaria tlalocii
I bought that one from my friend Val