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PostSubject: from a greenhouse near ventimiglia - italy   from a greenhouse near ventimiglia - italy Icon_minitimeSat Feb 13, 2010 4:34 pm

five little plants bought last spring in a greenhouse near ventimiglia, not labelled.
this is 2775

from a greenhouse near ventimiglia - italy 2775-212



this is 2776



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this is 2777


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this is 2778


from a greenhouse near ventimiglia - italy 2778-213




this is 2779



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this is 2780


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PostSubject: Re: from a greenhouse near ventimiglia - italy   from a greenhouse near ventimiglia - italy Icon_minitimeSun Feb 14, 2010 8:46 am

I believe the plants 2775, 2776 and 2779 belong to haageana group and 2780 is probably M. perballa ( I have got similar to your mammillaria).
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thank you leszek.
i'm in accord with you.
maybe 2777 is a perbella too.
possible 2775 - 2779 haageana ssp elegans?
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Hi Maurillo,
I think that Leznek has it right. The photos show just ow variable M. haageana is. Because of the differences is spines, you might think that they are different enough to be recognised as different species, but in habitat you find all sorts of variations all mixed up and realise that you just can't separate them.
The perbella is a very sweet little plant. I hope it divides soon as multiheaded forms are very nice, in my view.

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It is my about 12 years old M. perbella.
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hi chris...
you want to tell me that if you don't know where exactly the plant is coming from, is better call her only haageana ?
leszek perbella is a good example of her quiete slow growing (12 years old!!) dividing dichotomously.
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A suggestion for 2778, could I give M.formosa possible ssp chionocephala.
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Yes, Tam, that thought did cross my mind. Maybe we have to wait to see what colour the flowers are!

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The spines would seem to support M. chionocephala. Pilbeam says radial spines 22 to 24 to 8mm lomng and bristle like, central spines 2-4, rarely 5 or 6, stronger than the radials, to 6mm long, white tipped brown. But it is young yet, and the central spines seem to be developing, as there aren't any on the older areoles low on the sides of the plant. It should have increasing amounts of wool and bristle sin the axils, so look for this as the plant grows older.

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maybe we have to wait to see flowers colour and wool and bristels in the axils
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