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PostSubject: Mam. spec. Meseta de San Lorenzo   Mam. spec. Meseta de San Lorenzo Icon_minitimeSat Oct 18, 2008 7:23 am

Hello all,
this plant has I sowed under the name M. spec. Meseta de San Lorenzo.
What do you mean something it could be and where does lie the Meseta de San Lorenzo in Mexico?
It is Mam. wagneriana?
Greetings Holger

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PostSubject: Re: Mam. spec. Meseta de San Lorenzo   Mam. spec. Meseta de San Lorenzo Icon_minitimeSat Oct 18, 2008 10:18 am

This looks also to me like a wagneriana.
About Meseta de San Lorenzo. There are maby hundreds of villages in Mexico with this name, San Lorenzo. Meseta refer to high plains or partially collapsed volcanic vent of a volcan. This was not a great help, so I did a google search for wagneriana habitats.
I found a San Lorenzo in the upper north of Jalisco near the border with Zacatecas and Durango. These are the states were wagneriana is suppose to grow.

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PostSubject: Re: Mam. spec. Meseta de San Lorenzo   Mam. spec. Meseta de San Lorenzo Icon_minitimeSat Oct 18, 2008 5:12 pm

I think that this is a form of carnea, with the documented 4 central spines, upper and lowest the longest, and pink flowers. I can see no radial spines on this plant.

Meseta (or possible Mesita) means a small high plateau from the Spanish for table, and many flat topped hills and mountains in Spain and Mexico are called Mesa.Perhaps the best known Mesa de San Lorenzo is just north west of Tehuacan. The Mamms that grow there are M. haageana (sensu lato), M. mystax and M. carnea, together with some rarer species reported such as napina and pectinifera.

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PostSubject: Re: Mam. spec. Meseta de San Lorenzo   Mam. spec. Meseta de San Lorenzo Icon_minitimeMon Oct 20, 2008 1:38 am

Thanks Hugo and Chris,
I have controlled it, there are no radial spines on the plant.
I think, it is a really usual M. carnea.
Thanks for the hint respecting Meseta de San Lorenzo.
Presumably, Hugo and I have left to influence us from the flower.
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