The Moelleriana were sown 2018 November ... so going on 4 years. ( 3 years old when pic was taken) As a comparison the Jaliscana are the same size sown October 2019, (pic also almost a year old so they would be about 2 years when pic was taken) and the longiflora also same size were September 2020, current pic so almost 2 years. All are in 63mm pots.