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PostSubject: ID Mammillaria please.   Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:48 pm

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PostSubject: Re: ID Mammillaria please.   Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:58 am

I think it is M. moelleriana. There are cream flowered form of this also, sometimes called M. cowperae, but this look sot be like the normal species.

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PostSubject: Re: ID Mammillaria please.   Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:33 pm

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PostSubject: Re: ID Mammillaria please.   Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:30 pm

Chris43 wrote:
I think it is M. moelleriana. There are cream flowered form of this also, sometimes called M. cowperae, but this look sot be like the normal species.

żY Bombycina?
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PostSubject: Re: ID Mammillaria please.   Sun May 01, 2016 4:05 pm

I am not 100% certain that it is M. moelleriana, because the number of radial spines is on the low side for M. moelleriana. On the other hand, M. bombycina would be expected to have a more woolly appearance, but maybe, your plant is not in a very sunny position. Are there any field data attached to the plant?

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PostSubject: Re: ID Mammillaria please.   Sun May 01, 2016 5:40 pm

woltertenhoeve wrote:
I am not 100% certain that it is M. moelleriana, because the number of radial spines is on the low side for M. moelleriana. On the other hand, M. bombycina would be expected to have a more woolly appearance, but maybe, your plant is not in a very sunny position. Are there any field data attached to the plant?

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this has full sun avoiding the central hours
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PostSubject: Re: ID Mammillaria please.   Sun May 01, 2016 5:55 pm

fran43 wrote:
woltertenhoeve wrote:
I am not 100% certain that it is M. moelleriana, because the number of radial spines is on the low side for M. moelleriana. On the other hand, M. bombycina would be expected to have a more woolly appearance, but maybe, your plant is not in a very sunny position. Are there any field data attached to the plant?

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this has full sun avoiding the central hours


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PostSubject: Re: ID Mammillaria please.   Tue May 03, 2016 4:57 pm

I must admit that I discounted M. bombycina on the basis that it looked a largish plant, and hadn't offset. M. bombycina does tend to offset very happily. On the side of M. bombycina is that it has the lower number of central spines, whereas the description of M. moelleriana calls for 8-10 centrals, though my own plants don't have anywhere near that many, typically about 6. Your plant appears to have at least up to 5, on some areoles.

If it offsets soon, then we'll know, as M. moelleriana doesn't offset, at least not anywhere near as readily as M. bombycina.

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PostSubject: Re: ID Mammillaria please.   Tue May 03, 2016 5:41 pm

Chris43 wrote:
I must admit that I discounted M. bombycina on the basis that it looked a largish plant, and hadn't offset. M. bombycina does tend to offset very happily. On the side of M. bombycina is that it has the lower number of central spines, whereas the description of M. moelleriana calls for 8-10 centrals, though my own plants don't have anywhere near that many, typically about 6. Your plant appears to have at least up to 5, on some areoles.

If it offsets soon, then we'll know, as M. moelleriana doesn't offset, at least not anywhere near as readily as M. bombycina.
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PostSubject: Re: ID Mammillaria please.   Sun May 08, 2016 5:48 pm

I agree with Chris that M. bombycina offsets readily, so if it does not produce offsets, it will be M. moelleriana (or a hybrid).
Attached are a few photos of some of my seed-grown moellerianas/cowperaes.
The first image is of M. moelleriana, about 30 years of age, 25 cm high and 11 cm diameter. It would have been even higher if its own weight had not caused it to bend and contract in the lower, not visible part. The third image is of a similar, marginally smaller plant, which looks as if it starts dichotomous division.
The second image is of a 19-year old M. moelleriana Lau 698.
The forth image is of a 20-year old M. cowperae P456.
The fifth image is of a 7-year old M. moelleriana from Sierra Organos. Flowercolour ranges from light pink to dark pink (as in this plant).

None of these plants has ever produced an offset.

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PostSubject: Re: ID Mammillaria please.   Sun May 08, 2016 7:24 pm

woltertenhoeve wrote:
I agree with Chris that M. bombycina offsets readily, so if it does not produce offsets, it will be M. moelleriana (or a hybrid).
Attached are a few photos of some of my seed-grown moellerianas/cowperaes.
The first image is of M. moelleriana, about 30 years of age, 25 cm high and 11 cm diameter. It would have been even higher if its own weight had not caused it to bend and contract in the lower, not visible part. The third image is of a similar, marginally smaller plant, which looks as if it starts dichotomous division.
The second image is of a 19-year old M. moelleriana Lau 698.
The forth image is of a 20-year old M. cowperae P456.
The fifth image is of a 7-year old M. moelleriana from Sierra Organos. Flowercolour ranges from light pink to dark pink (as in this plant).

None of these plants has ever produced an offset.

Wolter ten Hoeve.






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