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mroofka

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PostSubject: help -mammillaria    help -mammillaria  Icon_minitimeMon Jan 19, 2015 9:12 pm

sorry for my english which is not very good.
I need help with naming my Mammillarias

1. M. parkinsonii / M. hageana ???
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PostSubject: Re: help -mammillaria    help -mammillaria  Icon_minitimeSat Jan 24, 2015 12:13 pm

The forum seems to have gone to sleep, so I'll have a go at some of your plants.

#1 - not sure exactly. It looks like M. haageana but normally that doesn't divide dichotomously. However the spine colour doesn't look like M. parkinsonii, which usually is white-cream with darker tips. But still, I think parkinsoni is more likely than haageana. Has it flowered? that will tell you.
#2 is M. karwinskiana ssp. nejapensis, I think.
#3 - photo 1 of these 2 has M. spinosissima on the right, the darker straight spined plant. The two others in the pot are possibly forms of M. rekoi? yellow hooked spined.
#4 - I am not certain, but this looks like a form of M. bella (or M. nunezii ssp. bella).
#5 - I am certain, this is M. polythele, though not a typical one, but this species is very variable. The only thing I haven't seen before on this species is that the axils are not woolly, but appear to have short bristles.

I hope that others will add their views.

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PostSubject: Re: help -mammillaria    help -mammillaria  Icon_minitimeSat Jan 24, 2015 3:24 pm

Another suggestion for n.1 could be Mammillaria morganiana.....

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PostSubject: Re: help -mammillaria    help -mammillaria  Icon_minitimeSat Jan 24, 2015 4:46 pm

I agree, Maurillio, that is also possible, maybe if it flowers we can decide?

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PostSubject: Re: help -mammillaria    help -mammillaria  Icon_minitimeSun Jan 25, 2015 12:04 pm

thank you very much
nr1 looks like  Mammillaria morganiana
these are new plants and i dont not know how they bloom

sry for my english-i use google translator Wink
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PostSubject: Re: help -mammillaria    help -mammillaria  Icon_minitimeSun Jan 25, 2015 2:00 pm

I do not consider M. parkinsonii and M. morganiana as really separate species. They grow in more or less the same region (about 25 km from each other), and as far as I am concerned, M. morganiana may be just a local variant of M. parkinsonii.
Attached are a few photos of M. parkinsonii and M. morganiana in habitat. They look very whitish, but the remarkable thing is that my seedlings from both locations are much darker spined than the plants in habitat, i.e. the top half of the spines is reddish-brown, whereas in nature it is only the tip that is reddish-brown. I guess that the large amount of sunshine in nature produces whiter spined plants than in the greenhouse.
The first photo is from M. morganiana WTH 862 (from the Bucareli region), the second and third are from M. parkinsonii WTH 954 (from near Higueras). They grow less than 20 km from each other.
A couple of years ago I donated seeds of M. morganiana WTH 862 to the AfM seed fund and perhaps some readers have seed-grown plants of it and can comment on the colour of the spines(I have only 1 morganiana seedling).

As with almost all unlabelled plants it remains difficult to attach a name to it, unless the origin of the seed from which the plant was grown is known. Therefore, I would label your plant as 'M. parkinsonii?'.

Wolter ten Hoeve, The Netherlands.

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PostSubject: Re: help -mammillaria    help -mammillaria  Icon_minitimeSun Jan 25, 2015 3:09 pm

Thanks a lot for your reply. The person from whom I bought this plant is a huge fan of Gymnocalycium and have not paid attention to the name mammillaria

i have one more unnamed Mammillaria
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