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K.W.

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Good morning dear cacti friends,


I had shown this plant in my picture thread.
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Hi K.W.

Tell me please, what variety is the mammillaria on 22nd August 63072 M. Monfsii / Montsii label 080 ?
If you know, as I don't recognise. Many thanks.



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Morning K.W.
Thanks for your reply. M. centricirrha is a synonym of m. magnimamma, the plant in the photo is certainly not one of them. In fact it appears to look more like a member of the series Stylothelae, possibly a form of M. bocosana or m. crinita. The closest to that name of montsii I know is a dubious m. montensis, which is now recognised as m. canelensis, which again it is not. So still a mystery to me. Any idea Chris.




Derek had asked me for the correct name. I do not of course know. . .
Can anyone help?


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K.W.
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Hi KW,

It is certainly a member of the Stylothelae. As you say, M. monstii is referred to M. magnimamma, so the label is clearly wrong.

I think I'd go for M. bocasana ssp. eschauzieri rather than M. crinita, mainly on the basis of the seed pods, which as can be seen, are long and thin. It doesn't look quite right though, as that species has radial spines that should be a bit more flexible, almost like hairs, which of course, is what M. bocasana proper has lots of. But I don't have any better idea.

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I was thinking about what was written on the label, and I just wondered if the plant had come from Herr Rogozinski.

I first checked the 80 against Rog 080, and it wasn't that. But then I saw Rog 072, where the entry is spec., goldgelbe Hakendornen MEX-80, Matanzas, Jal.

Could the 80 on the label refer to the MEX-080, and the 72 be Rog 072? If that is the answer to the puzzle then the plant ought to be a form of M. jaliscana. But, I don't think that that is right either. So, it might be that as well as a badly written label, the label is not for that plant, a mix-up somewhere perhaps?

On the other hand, my proposed solution might not be right! And sadly no-one probably does know now.

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PostSubject: Re: Mammillaria montsii ???   Mammillaria montsii ??? Icon_minitimeTue Jan 07, 2014 11:13 pm


Dear Chris,

thank you very much for your great effort!

The plant I got from Mr. Katze, cactus gardener.
The original label was broken, but we (Thorsten Fischer and I) have transmitted the data verbatim.

For me it is not bad that the plant has no name. Pardon! I am an ignoramus. . .
But it grows well and blooms, that is indeed worth something.  cheers 


Thank You again and

best regards!


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