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PostSubject: Mammillaria sp. tecomavaca L 1109   Mammillaria sp. tecomavaca L 1109 Icon_minitimeFri Jul 18, 2008 7:35 pm

Another one from Lau's findings: Mamm. sp. tecomavaca L 1109
Pilbeam thinks this is M. tlalocii.

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PostSubject: Re: Mammillaria sp. tecomavaca L 1109   Mammillaria sp. tecomavaca L 1109 Icon_minitimeFri Jul 18, 2008 7:38 pm

The spines are surely too long for a crucigera subspecies. I have several crucigera ssp. tlalocii plants and a crucigera ssp. grandinosa and to my mind they do share similarities, but none have spines as long as this plant. To my mind it has more in common with haageana, just as your Lau 1106 plant, again because of the too long spines. But I do know just how variable plants can be in habitat, and I'd want to see both of these plants in flower before coming to a conclusion. The size, shape and position of the flowers would be helpful to distinguish further.

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PostSubject: Re: Mammillaria sp. tecomavaca L 1109   Mammillaria sp. tecomavaca L 1109 Icon_minitimeFri Jul 18, 2008 7:40 pm

two pictures send to me this evening from Helmut Rogozinski.
M. tlalocii, Rog 267, Richtung Santa Marìa Ixcatlán, Oaxaca.

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and habitat from M. tlalocii
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That picture from Herr Rogozinski certainly comforms to the picture in Pilbeam's book for crucigera ssp tlalocii. He also shows a picture of FO-01 which seem right. However, there is something wrong about this as he refers FO-01 also to supertexta!
I think your plant of Lau 1109 looks quite close to the picture in Pilbeam of Lau 1158, and the location would seem to be good as well. I wonder if in editing, the reference to Lau 1109 got left in the tlalocii section, whereas FO-01 was copied across by mistake into supertexta.
So my preference would be for Lau 1109 to be supertexta. But I could be wrong.....!!

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PostSubject: Re: Mammillaria sp. tecomavaca L 1109   Mammillaria sp. tecomavaca L 1109 Icon_minitimeSat Jul 19, 2008 2:17 am

Hallo Hugo,
die von dir abegebildete Pflanze ist sicherlich eine Lau 1109 und sie zeigt Affinitäten zur von Reppenhagen beschriebenen M. tlalocii, aber auch kleinere Unterschiede, die aber durchaus in der Variationsbreite dieser Art liegen können. Hier eine Abbildung meiner Lau 1109, die ich allerdings vor vielen Jahren von Lau als 1109b erhalten habe. Sie ist vom Gesamteindruck nicht weiß sondern gelblich, also Bedornung und auch leicht die Wolle in den Axillen.
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Eine weitere Pflanze in meiner Sammlung die den Namen M. tlalocii trägt ist feiner und weiß bedornt und die Anzahl der Randdornen ist deutlich höher. Allerdings hat sie noch nicht bzw. bei mir noch nie geblüht.
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Deine, aber auch meine beiden Pflanzen haben auf jeden Fall mit M. haageana nichts zu tun, außer vielleicht, dass beide der Reihe Elegantes bzw. Supertextae angehören.
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Hello Holger,

It's about time that I come to Germany and visit your collection Wink
Your second photo is very similar with my plant.

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