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PostSubject: Far away from home   Far away from home Icon_minitimeMon Feb 28, 2011 7:15 pm

It's always a good idea to study old pictures in wintertime.

Today I'll show you two Mammillarias which I found far away from their type-locality. I don't know about any other founds so far away from home... Maybe you'll have more information.

First one is Mammillaria schumannii.
We found a place about 100 km north of the mostly known distribution area. Look at the map. It was nearby MEX 1, next town is called Guadelupe.

Far away from home Baja-011

Far away from home Baja-012

Far away from home Schu-110

Next one is Mammillaria rettigiana.
We found this plants in Jalisco about 30km east of Arandas. The next place I know is about 100 km northeast at El Cuarenta (Rog298, TL74). But what else could it be. Here you can expect M.jaliscana but it isn't. M.rettigiana is also called in german 'Wiesen-Stylo' (= meadow-Stylo). But this habitat was in a forest with oaks and pinetrees.

Far away from home 058-110

Far away from home 057-0010

Far away from home Retti-10

I'm very interested in other pictures of Stylos in Jalisco. Any comments are welcome Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Far away from home   Far away from home Icon_minitimeTue Mar 01, 2011 6:32 pm

This is very interesting, Robby. I haven't seen too many of the Stylothelae in habitat, and haven't explored much in Jalisco, merely crossing the northern tip on my way to Aguascaliente in 2011.

I found what I believe is a form of M. rettigiana when I was in Mexico last April, but it was well within your yellow coloured distribution area for that species. It was interesting in that it had more hooked central spines that the 1 called for in the description, but FitzMaurice tells me that this is not unusual.

I also found what I think is M. guillauminiana, high up in the mountains in Sinaloa near to the border with Durango. I asked FitzMaurice about this as well, and he says that he would probably merge M. guillauminiana into M. jaliscana, but that my plant could very well be what was called M. guillauminiana.

What you have shown us here is that the known distributions may not be as definitive as the books would suggest. Given that plants fruit, and birds eat fruits, I suppose that distances of 100km of so might not be unreasonable. But how does one decide whether such plants as you found are the result of this, or whether the plants long ago had a greater distribution, and climate or other changes have affected this?

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